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Old 12-09-09, 12:14   #1
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Freecycle groups in the UK are leaving Freecycle.

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Well it looks like many of the rest of the UK group owners have finally had enough of whats going on in Freecycle.

Guardian article explaining it.


Many groups have overnight moved over to "Freegle" and while I can understand why I think the name is naff.

Its been a simple name change, the groups are exactly the same - no need to rejoin.

In fact Bury Frecycle is now at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bury_freegle

Rossendale is still Freecycle (for now) but I'll be keeping a close eye on whats happening.


IN case your puzzled what the heck I'm talking about, here are some facts about the Freecycle leader & his autocratic ways.

Quote:
Here are the Facts:

Fact: Deron gifted the concept and usage of the word "Freecycle" to well over
100+ groups in 2003.
Fact: Deron chose to umbrella the worldwide groups he had gifted the name to
*without* consulting the folks he gifted the name to and without a vote.
Fact: Deron chose to attempt to TM the name, without consulting the folks and
without a vote.
Fact: Thousands of groups have been delisted and/or shut down and/or left the
network due to this unilateral choice.
Fact: Deron has lost the lawsuit in regards to this. Tim Oey has won the right
to full usage of the name Freecycle and the Freecycle logo which he was gifted.
The law courts have recognized the fact that these things were indeed gifted.
Deron is appealing.

Fact: Deron tries to tell folks that they can not use the word Freecycle in
alternate way - freecycling, freecyclers, freecycles, etc.
Fact: Deron fought and lost a lawsuit to this effect.
Fact: Freecycle and all derivative usages can be used out in public.
Fact: Deron has not told anyone about this loss at OIDG to date. He only
speaks about the other lawsuit and the fact that it's in appeals.

Fact: Deron claims to have a (R) on the Freecycle name and logo. And in some
ways he does; however, it is based on a lie.
Fact: The graphics used to create the TFN logo are previously copyrighted by
the company that created them.
Fact: The license Deron bought, after the fact, does not allow him to
Trademark anything created with the elements. He was informed by the company of
this via letter.
Fact: Deron chose to proceed with the UK registration regardless of knowing
that fact.
Fact: The UK (R) of the logo is illegal!!!

Fact: Deron stated for 6 years that he was going to build a site that would
host our community groups.
Fact: Deron has stated for 6 years that he would build a site that was free of
all advertising. Quote from a Deron MS posting: "in a commerce-free environment
(no pop up ads, etc.)".
Fact: Deron built a site that will revert ownership of every group joining
over to TFN - this is NOT hosting our community groups.
Fact: The new website has commercial ads - Google ads - on it.
Fact: Deron refused for 4 years to inform his family of Owners that ownership
of all groups will be revert to TFN once the groups merge over to the new
website.

Fact: The My Freecycle site went live somewhere back in March 2008; however,
no one announced it for close to 3 months.
Fact: Deron knew the website was live, but chose not to say anything until it
was revealed by a moderator who stumbled on it.
Fact: It was a UK mod asking at OIDG that finally allowed those who are a part
of OIDG to find out about it.
Fact: It was then announced to the UK, AU and USA due to pressure to announce;
however, moderators in Canada were not informed for another 5 weeks after that.
Fact: All groups could have been listed but not activated. All groups were
activated *and* were allowed to take new members for months before telling us.
Fact: Your local GOA is currently the Lead Moderator on your My Freecycle
group, until you request to be made Lead Moderator.
Fact: TFN is the ONLY Owner of all groups on My Freecycle.

Fact: Deron stated at the Modsquad that EF would never be used to remove or
demote a Moderator or Owner of a group. That it is a neutral entity.
Fact: Only Deron Beal and one other Employee of his, have access to the EF
password at any one time.
Fact: EF (the voluntary anon Co-owner that you can request of TFN) removed an
Owner from his group cause the GOA didn't like the way he was speaking to his
members. Deron authorized said removal.
Fact: EF was used to demote Imods from various groups around the world, who
asked to stay after the Imod exodus of 2007.
Fact: Deron and TPTB continue to claim that EF has never removed an Owner from
a group.

Fact: EF is a neutral entity - never to be used other than to save a group.
Fact: EF was used in a Regional Modsquad vote, even though we specifically
requested that Deron not vote since he was a member of the Modsquad for
information purposes only, and was not local to the area.
Fact: When asked why EF had voted on a Regional Modsquad vote on OIDG, Deron
lied to the members and stated that this never happened. However, we have screen
shot proof of EF voting.

Fact: TFN's Finder Tool - this tool was forwarding emails to the new TFN
website.
Fact: The TFN finder tool is a clear violation of Yahoo TOS agreement and for
years Deron refuses to answer questions in regards to this.
Fact: For over 2 years Deron stated that he had a written agreement with Yahoo
PTB and not to worry about it.
Fact: When asked to show us this agreement, Deron refused to produce a copy of
it.
Fact: When Yahoo was informed about the finder tool, Yahoo forced Deron to
shut the tool down, stating it was a clear violation of the Yahoo TOS.
Fact: The Community Groups Manager had no knowledge of any written agreement
and/or verbal agreement okaying the Finder Tool.
Fact: When asked what had happened with the Finder tool on OIDG, he stated he
was working with Yahoo to figure out how to best use it. He did not admit that
Yahoo had forced him to shut it down. Nor did he ever product the written
agreement.
Fact: If said written agreement had indeed existed, the Finder tool would
never have been shut down permanently.

Fact: Deron refuses to inform his family of Owners that the move to the MF
website is in theory One Way.
Fact: It has been stated publicly that groups can move to the new website, and
move back to Yahoo groups once and once only. It has also been stated that this
is highly unrecommended and many wonder if they will hold their word to this.
But they state they will allow it.
Fact: Once a group has merged over to MF, all contact information for said
group is now stored on TFN servers.
Should your group choose to leave LF, DB could easily claim you to be a "not
good fit" volunteer, and replace your group on MF and re-add all your members to
his new groups owned by TFN.
Yes, indeed, this last sentence is speculation of what could happen, but you
need to be aware that this type of actions has already occurred before, with
GOAs downloading memberships of groups and re-creating them as new TFN owned
groups.
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Re: Freecycle groups in the UK are leaving Freecycle.

Continued:

Quote:
Fact: TFN has delisted numerous groups, the groups from the folks who are
speaking and exposing the truth.
Fact: TFN states the reason for the delisting and request to step down is for
breaking confidentiality; however, to my knowledge everything expressed here was
knowledge that was known to many - not a specific part of any job.
Fact: When requested to show where the breech of confidentially is, TFN
refuses to supply any proof and simply proceeds with delisting and replacement
of said individual's group. They actually do not even try to talk to the person.

Fact: TFN puts anyone speaking out here or at a MS on moderation as "a
precaution".
Fact: Deron, Stephanie (formerly) and Nan state this to be a "way to protect
the other Owners from the upset, irritation and needless ratings".
Fact: Deron & crew think that censorship is a way to protect TFN.
Fact: TFN Leadership Mods placed someone on moderation for answering and
questioning to a resignation letter. TFN Leadership stated that resignation
letters are to be assumed to be deleted and are not to be addressed at all.
Fact: Therefore, according to the TFN Leadership mods, resignation letters are
not allowed to be discussed.
Fact: The moderator who questioned the resignation was not just
moderated at OIDG, but at ALL Leadership groups.
Fact: Censorship is generally considered to be acceptable in the following
areas of life: politics, government, military.
Fact: The root of censorship lays in fear - fear of exposure; fear of outcome
of information, etc.

Fact: Various TFN Team Members are known for entering groups under alias,
downloading yahoo IDs and emails, and inviting them to the new replacement group
once the original one has been delisted for whatever reason.
Fact: Spamming in this manner is a clear violation of Yahoo TOS agreement.
Members are not given the authority to do this.

Fact: The former TM Team Coordinator started a series of shadow groups as a
scare tactic to silence folks who were speaking the truth . This individual
made the mistake of using the ID she named after her partner - who used to be an
Owner in my own group.
Fact: The former TM Team Coordinator used multiple Yahoo IDs to enter groups
unannounced, review their groups and look for any reason to C&D, delist or
otherwise flag the group as one to watch.

Fact: The former TM Team Coordinator owns/owned (? - not sure if this is still
the current situation) both the Maritimes MS and the Quebec MS - both out of
area for her and a considerable conflict of interest.
Fact: The "Maritimes NGA", the former TM Team Coordinator's husband, removed a
moderator from the Maritimes MS after she resigned from TFN. Although warranted,
this is not the job of a New Group Approver; therefore, a major conflict of
interest & slip in judgment.

Fact: Deron & his very small board will now claim that they OWN all the groups
around the world and a huge database of email addresses.
Fact: The group members and Owners have No Say, No Vote in how that database
will be used.
Fact: Deron has publicly stated that he will not sell the database. He claims
this as the ED of TFN.
However, given the Board of Directors is three people, all it would take is
the other two members voting to sell the database in order to raise money. Deron
would have to abide by it. And how easy will it be for him to say he was
outvoted and it's not his fault.
Yes, indeed, this last sentence is again speculation, but you need to see how
easily he can manipulate what he says versus what TFN BOD will do.

Fact: the IRS990s are missing some of the monies declared on the Arizona
non-profit papers.
Fact: when someone tries to ask about this at OIDG, the email is deleted and
the person is informed that they were professionally completed and don't warrant
questioning. (Then again on the Arizona non-profit forms, I found an error in
the addition of one part so why not scrutinize them - me, I found an error!!)

Fact: the Arizona papers state that the non-profit has "members' but indeed
Deron never opened up the membership of the non-profit.
Note: as members we have the right to be informed of BOD meetings, attend
them, give input; however, we still have no vote.

Fact: the IRS990s does not list the website. We wonder why. When asking about
it, we ended up moderated and/or removed from OIDG.

Fact: In 2004 and 2005, similar exoduses to these next ones occurred and were
kept quiet. All groups were requested to be handed over to TFN.

Fact: A large contingent, 3/4, of the GOA team publicly resigned over TFN
Management in 2006.
Fact: All Team volunteers who resigned were asked to release their groups to
TFN and step down.

Fact: The IMOD Team publicly resigned en mass in 2007 over TFN
Management in 2007.
Fact: Within weeks, the ex Imods were targeted with letters of "not good fit"
and were requested to all turn their groups over to TFN.
Fact: Said groups were delisted immediately, before choices regarding
ownership could be made.

Fact: The UK BOD Director, Neil Morris, and the entire Freecycle UK Management
Team resigned over TFN Management in 2009.
Fact: TFN refused to negotiate with the UK Mods Committee.
Fact: Within weeks of the resignations, all groups owned by the Management
Team and the newly formed Mods Committee are being targeted as "not good fit"
and are being requested to turn over their groups.

I'm sure there is more I am forgetting right this moment, but I can always add
to it later if need be.

Speculation: There's tons of it out there, but it's not worth going there as
there is no foundation to stand on with speculation. And anyways, aren't there
enough facts to stand on, that we really don't *need* to speculate very much in
order to show why the organization is crumbling.

As I have always said, you can not build a strong foundation on tops of lies.
Deron has lied to his people over and over. He has told half truths, which is
the same as lying. Omitting half the truth is the same as lying.
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The poop doth hitteth the fan....
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Re: Freecycle groups in the UK are leaving Freecycle.

If you don't like it don't use it. Can't see a problem with that.
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Re: Freecycle groups in the UK are leaving Freecycle.

ITs not a case of that, too many time this autocratis yank has shat on the UK voulenteers that give hours & hours of their time in order to save stuff from landfill.

He treats them like crap and they have finally had enough, most groups are splitting away from Freecycle to continue doing what they have been doing for years for a lot longer but without the bitchin & BS from up high.
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Re: Freecycle groups in the UK are leaving Freecycle.

Freecycle is a great idea, but poorly executed in my opinion. The use of Yahoo groups as the choice of platfom makes it difficult to join, navigate and simply use.

The work of the volunteers is impressive though and is the main reason it has so successful.
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Re: Freecycle groups in the UK are leaving Freecycle.

The use of Yahoo groups was at the time the only way it worked, there was no idea that it would go international.

Using Freecycles own site for groups has only been recent, yet they have had loads of money donated to design this site yet its crap in comparison to Yahoo, you still have to join it etc.
A moderators job on there is ten times harder.

They even had the gaul to kick out Edward Hibbert, the guy who had spent hours & hours of his own time creating a moderation tool for TFN and even went to the states to talk with Yahoo over how things could be improved for Freecycle on the groups.

Not to worry, the UK groups will still thrive under their own new names.
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